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		<title>Comment on Q+A with Josh Bernstein, author of BREWED AWAKENING by Post-Holiday Roundup &#124; Brews and Books</title>
		<link>http://east.hoppress.com/2011/12/07/qa-with-josh-bernstein-author-of-brewed-awakening/#comment-967</link>
		<dc:creator>Post-Holiday Roundup &#124; Brews and Books</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2012 17:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the occasional feature for RateBeer, with plans of upping my article output in 2012. Most recently, I interviewed Joshua Bernstein about his excellent new book Brewed [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Q+A with Josh Bernstein, author of BREWED AWAKENING by carrrrrlos</title>
		<link>http://east.hoppress.com/2011/12/07/qa-with-josh-bernstein-author-of-brewed-awakening/#comment-965</link>
		<dc:creator>carrrrrlos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2011 07:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to get this book! Thanks for the post. I went to his site and saw the video of him working out to write the book - it was funny and almost made me buy it, but now I will.
Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to get this book! Thanks for the post. I went to his site and saw the video of him working out to write the book &#8211; it was funny and almost made me buy it, but now I will.<br />
Cheers!</p>
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		<title>Comment on New England Craft Brewers Scoop Up GABF Medals by New England Craft Beer &#187; New England Craft Beer Links November 15, 2011:</title>
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		<dc:creator>New England Craft Beer &#187; New England Craft Beer Links November 15, 2011:</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 23:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Read the full article on New England representation at GABF [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on New England Craft Brewers Scoop Up GABF Medals by New England Craft Brewers Scoop Up GABF Medals</title>
		<link>http://east.hoppress.com/2011/10/09/new-england-craft-brewers-scoop-up-gabf-medals/#comment-878</link>
		<dc:creator>New England Craft Brewers Scoop Up GABF Medals</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 10:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Kegs have been tapped, beers have been poured, cups have been dropped, and medals have been won at the 2011 Great American Beer Festival (GABF). While the event participants and organizers were nursing their hangovers, I was doing some thinking on my front steps while watching the first autumn leaves fall. While I have heard some local news about winners at this year’s GABF, I began to wonder about how New England breweries stacked up against the rest of the country.[Read more...] [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Kegs have been tapped, beers have been poured, cups have been dropped, and medals have been won at the 2011 Great American Beer Festival (GABF). While the event participants and organizers were nursing their hangovers, I was doing some thinking on my front steps while watching the first autumn leaves fall. While I have heard some local news about winners at this year’s GABF, I began to wonder about how New England breweries stacked up against the rest of the country.[Read more...] [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on The origins of lager brewing by Joe McPhee</title>
		<link>http://east.hoppress.com/2011/09/10/the-origins-of-lager-brewing/#comment-876</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe McPhee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 11:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not really - at least not according to the genetic data.  It is possible that there was another lager-type strain that was eventually succeeded by the hybrid they describe (I actually suspect that&#039;s what happened), but again, you&#039;d need samples of beer from the 15th century to resolve that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not really &#8211; at least not according to the genetic data.  It is possible that there was another lager-type strain that was eventually succeeded by the hybrid they describe (I actually suspect that&#8217;s what happened), but again, you&#8217;d need samples of beer from the 15th century to resolve that.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The origins of lager brewing by samgamgee</title>
		<link>http://east.hoppress.com/2011/09/10/the-origins-of-lager-brewing/#comment-875</link>
		<dc:creator>samgamgee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Sep 2011 01:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still don&#039;t believe that this is the actual yeast that hybridized in Germany. Isn&#039;t there a possibility that a yeast with the same genetics to contribute existed in Europe at that time?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still don&#8217;t believe that this is the actual yeast that hybridized in Germany. Isn&#8217;t there a possibility that a yeast with the same genetics to contribute existed in Europe at that time?</p>
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		<title>Comment on The origins of lager brewing by Joe McPhee</title>
		<link>http://east.hoppress.com/2011/09/10/the-origins-of-lager-brewing/#comment-874</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe McPhee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 19:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those are great questions Eugene. The most important thing to get to directionality though is that the brewing yeasts are hybrids.  The Patagonian yeast didn&#039;t &quot;replace&quot; the ale-yeast, they combined with it to become something else entirely.  You can&#039;t find the Patogonian yeast in brewing environment, you can just find evidence in the current yeast strains that it must have once been there.  The modern lager (S. pastorianus) contain a typical ale yeast component as well as a component that gives them lager-promoting activities (that&#039;s what the term allotetraploid refers to - it has 4X the number of chromosomes as a typical strain and they come from different sources).  The chromosomes of the domesticated lager yeast have also recombined with the S. cerevisiae chromosomes in several sections - indicating that they&#039;ve spent some time together.  When it comes to hybrid production, these are typically one-way roads.  I don&#039;t know of any examples of hybrid genomes spontaneously dissembling into the original component chromosomes and recreating a diploid genome (although this may be possible).  
 
It&#039;s harder to imagine that a brewing strain would escape the brewery and go on to infect millions of Patagonian trees than to imagine it occurring in the reverse direction (or maybe I just don&#039;t have much of an imagination).  As far as your last question - with evolution, we can only observe what we have in front of us, whether is fossil bones or genetic evidence.  We can&#039;t say what strains may have existed before this one came to dominate lager production, but we do know that within a brewing environment there is a lot of selection for yeasts that perform well and a lot of competition for those that don&#039;t.  Even a small change in fitness combined with billions of generations of yeast propogation, would result in unfit strains going extinct.  The 150-200 years thing is a back-of-the-envelope calculation.  I don&#039;t really know when the first true lagers were produced - we just know that people were brewing in cooler caves ~1400-1450 and that in 1553 Bavaria outlawed summertime beer production (presumably because they liked the low-temperature product better). 

I&#039;m completely serious about the old samples too - I&#039;ve got a collaborator here who specializes in ancient DNA analysis (we&#039;ve got a paper coming out in Nature next week that (I think) is going to get a shitload of press) and I&#039;d love to be able to look at how lager brewing actually came into being (i.e. pre-European/American trade).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those are great questions Eugene. The most important thing to get to directionality though is that the brewing yeasts are hybrids.  The Patagonian yeast didn&#8217;t &#8220;replace&#8221; the ale-yeast, they combined with it to become something else entirely.  You can&#8217;t find the Patogonian yeast in brewing environment, you can just find evidence in the current yeast strains that it must have once been there.  The modern lager (S. pastorianus) contain a typical ale yeast component as well as a component that gives them lager-promoting activities (that&#8217;s what the term allotetraploid refers to &#8211; it has 4X the number of chromosomes as a typical strain and they come from different sources).  The chromosomes of the domesticated lager yeast have also recombined with the S. cerevisiae chromosomes in several sections &#8211; indicating that they&#8217;ve spent some time together.  When it comes to hybrid production, these are typically one-way roads.  I don&#8217;t know of any examples of hybrid genomes spontaneously dissembling into the original component chromosomes and recreating a diploid genome (although this may be possible).  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s harder to imagine that a brewing strain would escape the brewery and go on to infect millions of Patagonian trees than to imagine it occurring in the reverse direction (or maybe I just don&#8217;t have much of an imagination).  As far as your last question &#8211; with evolution, we can only observe what we have in front of us, whether is fossil bones or genetic evidence.  We can&#8217;t say what strains may have existed before this one came to dominate lager production, but we do know that within a brewing environment there is a lot of selection for yeasts that perform well and a lot of competition for those that don&#8217;t.  Even a small change in fitness combined with billions of generations of yeast propogation, would result in unfit strains going extinct.  The 150-200 years thing is a back-of-the-envelope calculation.  I don&#8217;t really know when the first true lagers were produced &#8211; we just know that people were brewing in cooler caves ~1400-1450 and that in 1553 Bavaria outlawed summertime beer production (presumably because they liked the low-temperature product better). </p>
<p>I&#8217;m completely serious about the old samples too &#8211; I&#8217;ve got a collaborator here who specializes in ancient DNA analysis (we&#8217;ve got a paper coming out in Nature next week that (I think) is going to get a shitload of press) and I&#8217;d love to be able to look at how lager brewing actually came into being (i.e. pre-European/American trade).</p>
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		<title>Comment on The origins of lager brewing by beastiefan2k</title>
		<link>http://east.hoppress.com/2011/09/10/the-origins-of-lager-brewing/#comment-873</link>
		<dc:creator>beastiefan2k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 20:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all Joe, great write up. You make microbiology sound a lot less menacing.

Second, I am completely out of my field of knowledge here, so I apologize if my questions are ignorant.  

The incongruent time lines still worry me.  How can we be sure about directionality?  As I asked in an early thread:

Why isn’t that the missing link yeast went to S. America and found a safe haven while going extinct in Europe (can a yeast go extinct?)?

Similarly, can 150-200 years of lager brewing be easily replaced by the Patagonian yeast such that we have no other record of the preceding yeasts?  Can we really account for current lager yeast strains to have come from one small place thousands of miles away, which traveled to Europe, then made its way into brewing, and finally imbedded itself so strongly that there is no sign of the previous cryotolerant yeasts?

I appreciate your feedback.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all Joe, great write up. You make microbiology sound a lot less menacing.</p>
<p>Second, I am completely out of my field of knowledge here, so I apologize if my questions are ignorant.  </p>
<p>The incongruent time lines still worry me.  How can we be sure about directionality?  As I asked in an early thread:</p>
<p>Why isn’t that the missing link yeast went to S. America and found a safe haven while going extinct in Europe (can a yeast go extinct?)?</p>
<p>Similarly, can 150-200 years of lager brewing be easily replaced by the Patagonian yeast such that we have no other record of the preceding yeasts?  Can we really account for current lager yeast strains to have come from one small place thousands of miles away, which traveled to Europe, then made its way into brewing, and finally imbedded itself so strongly that there is no sign of the previous cryotolerant yeasts?</p>
<p>I appreciate your feedback.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The origins of lager brewing by The origins of lager brewing &#124; CraftBeer &#124; Scoop.it</title>
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		<dc:creator>The origins of lager brewing &#124; CraftBeer &#124; Scoop.it</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 17:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  The origins of lager brewing           From the laboratory of Jose Sampaio at the Microbiological Resource Center in Caparica, Portugal, the study solves a long-standing mystery in the brewing world, namely the origin of the cold-tolerant portion of the lager yeast ...     Source: maltedmusings.hoppress.com [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]  The origins of lager brewing           From the laboratory of Jose Sampaio at the Microbiological Resource Center in Caparica, Portugal, the study solves a long-standing mystery in the brewing world, namely the origin of the cold-tolerant portion of the lager yeast &#8230;     Source: maltedmusings.hoppress.com [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Bringing women into a craft beer blog&#8217;s audience &#8211; as people by Hot New Music</title>
		<link>http://east.hoppress.com/2010/11/08/bringing-women-into-a-craft-beer-blogs-audience-as-people/#comment-143</link>
		<dc:creator>Hot New Music</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Aug 2011 19:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great thoughts. Will be back to see your next posts.</description>
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